Když už je Eleshar proti zjednodušování (s kterýmžto (bleh) přístupem souhlasím)
Jak přeložit termín "doppleganger"?
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A co třeba použít starý dobrý širší překlad - a nazvat ho třeba "duchovní (či duševní? nebo přízračný?) dvojník"? Dvouslovné názvy nejsou nic neobvyklého, zachová to význam a vyhne se to cizím slovům.
Když už je Eleshar proti zjednodušování (s kterýmžto (bleh) přístupem souhlasím)
Když už je Eleshar proti zjednodušování (s kterýmžto (bleh) přístupem souhlasím)
Eat all your school, stay in milk, drink your teeth, don't do sleep and get eight hours of drugs.
BTW asi bude na místě sem hodit, co je vlastně doppleganger 
Doppleganger
CLIMATE/TERRAIN: Any
FREQUENCY: Very rare
ORGANIZATION: Tribal
ACTIVITY CYCLE: Any
DIET: Omnivore
INTELLIGENCE: Very (11-12)
TREASURE: E
ALIGNMENT: Neutral
NO. APPEARING: 3-12
ARMOR CLASS: 5
MOVEMENT: 9
HIT DICE: 4
THAC0: 17
NO. OF ATTACKS: 1
DAMAGE/ATTACK: 1-12
SPECIAL ATTACKS: Surprise
SPECIAL DEFENSES: See below
MAGIC RESISTANCE: See below
SIZE: M
MORALE: Elite (13)
XP VALUE: 420
The doppleganger is a master of mimicry that survives by taking the shapes of men, demihumans, and humanoids.
Dopplegangers are bipedal and generally humanoid in appearance. Their bodies are covered with a thick, hairless gray hide, which gives them a natural AC of 5. They are, however, rarely seen in their true forms.
Combat: This monster is able to assume the shape of any humanoid creature between four and eight feet high. The doppleganger chooses a victim, duplicates his form, and then attempts to kill the original and assume his place. The doppleganger is able to use ESP and can imitate its victim with 90% accuracy, even duplicating the victim's clothing and equipment. If unsuccessful in taking its victim's place, the doppleganger attacks, relying on the ensuing confusion to make it indistinguishable from its victim. A doppleganger is immune to sleep and charm spells and rolls all saving throws as if he was a 10th-level fighter.
Dopplegangers work in groups and act together to ensure that their attacks and infiltrations are successful. They are very intelligent and usually take the time to plan their attacks with care. If a group of the monsters spots some potential victims, the dopplegangers often trail their targets, waiting for a good chance to strike, choosing their time and opportunity with care. They may wait until nightfall, or until their victims are alone, or even follow them to an inn.
Habitat/Society: Dopplegangers are rumored to be artificial beings that were created long ago by a powerful wizard or godling. They were originally intended to be used as spies and assassins in an ancient, highly magical war. Their creator died long ago, but they live on, still working as spies for evil powers, thieves, and government. They have even been known to work as assassins.
All dopplegangers belong to a single tribe. Although this is rare, groups of dopplegangers can be found anywhere at any time, and in unexpected locations. Working as a unit, they select a group of victims, such as a family or a group of travelers. Basically lazy, dopplegangers find it easier to survive and live comfortably by taking humanoid, and especially human, shape. They prefer to take the form of someone comfortably provided for, and shun assuming the form of hardworking peasants. Since they are only 90% accurate in their mimicry, most dopplegangers are eventually discovered and driven out, and then forced once more to assume a new shape.
Dopplegangers are found most often in their true forms in a dungeon or in the wilderness. Groups often set up a lair in an area well-suited to ambush and surprise, patrolling a regular territory. These bands make a good living by attacking weak humanoid monsters or travelers and stealing their food and treasure. If food and treasure are scarce, they hire out to a powerful wizard or thieves' guild.
A doppleganger who has been hired to replace a specific person will plan its attack with special care, learning as much about the victim and his environment as it can.
The dopplegangers' weaknesses are greed and cowardice. They spend their lives in avid pursuit of gold and other wealth. If attacking a group of adventurers, for example, they often choose the richest-looking one to attack first. If they target a party of adventurers, the dopplegangers wait until the party is on the way out of the dungeon and heading back to town. Since they are cowardly, however, they prefer to take the easiest route toward riches. A doppleganger who chooses a rich adventurer avoids risks once the treasure is safely in hand, and retreats at the earliest opportunity, making some plausible excuse for separating from the human members of the group. They sometimes hire out as spies and assassins for money as well.
Ecology: Dopplegangers are sophisticated and dangerous parasites, living off the labors of others. They must also be reckoned with as clever and effective spies and assassins who can wreak political mayhem in positions of power. Evil wizards have on rare occasions controlled entire kingdoms for short periods of time by replacing a king, prince, or councilor with a doppleganger.
Doppleganger
CLIMATE/TERRAIN: Any
FREQUENCY: Very rare
ORGANIZATION: Tribal
ACTIVITY CYCLE: Any
DIET: Omnivore
INTELLIGENCE: Very (11-12)
TREASURE: E
ALIGNMENT: Neutral
NO. APPEARING: 3-12
ARMOR CLASS: 5
MOVEMENT: 9
HIT DICE: 4
THAC0: 17
NO. OF ATTACKS: 1
DAMAGE/ATTACK: 1-12
SPECIAL ATTACKS: Surprise
SPECIAL DEFENSES: See below
MAGIC RESISTANCE: See below
SIZE: M
MORALE: Elite (13)
XP VALUE: 420
The doppleganger is a master of mimicry that survives by taking the shapes of men, demihumans, and humanoids.
Dopplegangers are bipedal and generally humanoid in appearance. Their bodies are covered with a thick, hairless gray hide, which gives them a natural AC of 5. They are, however, rarely seen in their true forms.
Combat: This monster is able to assume the shape of any humanoid creature between four and eight feet high. The doppleganger chooses a victim, duplicates his form, and then attempts to kill the original and assume his place. The doppleganger is able to use ESP and can imitate its victim with 90% accuracy, even duplicating the victim's clothing and equipment. If unsuccessful in taking its victim's place, the doppleganger attacks, relying on the ensuing confusion to make it indistinguishable from its victim. A doppleganger is immune to sleep and charm spells and rolls all saving throws as if he was a 10th-level fighter.
Dopplegangers work in groups and act together to ensure that their attacks and infiltrations are successful. They are very intelligent and usually take the time to plan their attacks with care. If a group of the monsters spots some potential victims, the dopplegangers often trail their targets, waiting for a good chance to strike, choosing their time and opportunity with care. They may wait until nightfall, or until their victims are alone, or even follow them to an inn.
Habitat/Society: Dopplegangers are rumored to be artificial beings that were created long ago by a powerful wizard or godling. They were originally intended to be used as spies and assassins in an ancient, highly magical war. Their creator died long ago, but they live on, still working as spies for evil powers, thieves, and government. They have even been known to work as assassins.
All dopplegangers belong to a single tribe. Although this is rare, groups of dopplegangers can be found anywhere at any time, and in unexpected locations. Working as a unit, they select a group of victims, such as a family or a group of travelers. Basically lazy, dopplegangers find it easier to survive and live comfortably by taking humanoid, and especially human, shape. They prefer to take the form of someone comfortably provided for, and shun assuming the form of hardworking peasants. Since they are only 90% accurate in their mimicry, most dopplegangers are eventually discovered and driven out, and then forced once more to assume a new shape.
Dopplegangers are found most often in their true forms in a dungeon or in the wilderness. Groups often set up a lair in an area well-suited to ambush and surprise, patrolling a regular territory. These bands make a good living by attacking weak humanoid monsters or travelers and stealing their food and treasure. If food and treasure are scarce, they hire out to a powerful wizard or thieves' guild.
A doppleganger who has been hired to replace a specific person will plan its attack with special care, learning as much about the victim and his environment as it can.
The dopplegangers' weaknesses are greed and cowardice. They spend their lives in avid pursuit of gold and other wealth. If attacking a group of adventurers, for example, they often choose the richest-looking one to attack first. If they target a party of adventurers, the dopplegangers wait until the party is on the way out of the dungeon and heading back to town. Since they are cowardly, however, they prefer to take the easiest route toward riches. A doppleganger who chooses a rich adventurer avoids risks once the treasure is safely in hand, and retreats at the earliest opportunity, making some plausible excuse for separating from the human members of the group. They sometimes hire out as spies and assassins for money as well.
Ecology: Dopplegangers are sophisticated and dangerous parasites, living off the labors of others. They must also be reckoned with as clever and effective spies and assassins who can wreak political mayhem in positions of power. Evil wizards have on rare occasions controlled entire kingdoms for short periods of time by replacing a king, prince, or councilor with a doppleganger.
Díky Vlasáku za data.
Asi bychom ještě měli brát v potaz, jak jsou tyhle potvůrky překládany v ostatních hrách.
JAk v BG2?
V IWD1 určitě nejsou.
V IWD2 jsou, ale musím se podívat na překlad. Hmm, tak je to "Doppelganger".
A co Planescape s Newerwinterem?
Asi bychom ještě měli brát v potaz, jak jsou tyhle potvůrky překládany v ostatních hrách.
JAk v BG2?
V IWD1 určitě nejsou.
V IWD2 jsou, ale musím se podívat na překlad. Hmm, tak je to "Doppelganger".
A co Planescape s Newerwinterem?
Naposledy upravil(a) Tokkar dne 31.5.2006 14:13, celkem upraveno 1 x.
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Obávám se, že něco takového existuje jako už jiná potvora, nejsem si jist, možná kecám. Možná je to jen 3e, možná je to nějaký z jejích dodatků, ale mám pocit, že i v BG (tedy v dalších dílech) jsou snad i jinší druhy než Greater D. A navíc dvojslovné názvy mají nevýhodu v tom, že se mohou stát zbytečně trojslovnými v případě Greater Doppelganger.sevencreature píše:A co třeba použít starý dobrý širší překlad - a nazvat ho třeba "duchovní (či duševní? nebo přízračný?) dvojník"? Dvouslovné názvy nejsou nic neobvyklého, zachová to význam a vyhne se to cizím slovům.
Když už je Eleshar proti zjednodušování (s kterýmžto (bleh) přístupem souhlasím)
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Eeeeehmmm... tak s příšerkami to dořešíme dále, až se to uzavře všechno (jak Markus řekl, zatím se čeká na Godota... tedy chci říci na správce databáze), ale Dopplegangera můžeme dořešit už nyní... Prosil bych všechny, aby si znovu a důkladně přečetli mé příspěvky, jen si slovo "dvojník," které jsem tak urputně hájil, nahradili slovem "měňavec," které... jsem urputně bránil. Argh... už chápu potřebu Angsocu po ministerstvu pravdy...
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Oni byli v BG *Dopplegangeři* a zároveň Meč proti *měňavcům*? 
addendum: už si vlastně vzpomínám... považoval jsem to za ukrutné mrhání magickým potenciálem meče... myslel jsem si, že měňavec je jakási nicneříkající generalisaci... jakýkoliv tvor schopný se měnit, kam se dá zařadit i Doppleganger... ach jo
Jinak souhlasí všichni?
addendum: už si vlastně vzpomínám... považoval jsem to za ukrutné mrhání magickým potenciálem meče... myslel jsem si, že měňavec je jakási nicneříkající generalisaci... jakýkoliv tvor schopný se měnit, kam se dá zařadit i Doppleganger... ach jo
Jinak souhlasí všichni?
"Non e merda flagrum texueris, etsi tamen, non castigabis autem"
Já ano.Eleshar_Vermillion píše: Jinak souhlasí všichni?
Kód: Vybrat vše
IF
Detect([SPAMMER])
THEN
RESPONSE #100
ReallyForceSpell(WIZARD_POWER_WORD_KILL,LastSeenBy(Myself))
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Měňavec je IMHo v pohodě. (OK, původní název by se mi líbil víc - ale tahle alternativa je dobrá.)
Um - asi do toho beztak nemám moc co kecat.
Um - asi do toho beztak nemám moc co kecat.
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Souhlasím s Měňavcem - sice se mi líbí Doppelganger, ale i Měňavěc zní mým uším celkem pěkně 
http://gh.ffshrine.org?r=23256
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deviantART - place, where deviancy comes to play
Pokud máte něco, co po mně chcete, tak mě kontaktujte pomocí PM, emailu nebo ICQ. Vše je zde uvedeno.
Právě naopak, jak už jsem psal v prvním postu tématu Překladový klíč monster. Tyto úpravy se budou týkat všech hráčů BG a tudíž do toho máte co "kecat" VŠICHNI.Cesare píše:Um - asi do toho beztak nemám moc co kecat.
Proti měňavci nic nemám. Už z principu převzetí PK od papírové komunity.
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